I need to tile this floor so could I Redgard the mastic residue so my tiles thin set will have a bondable surface? RedGard the exposed wall, across the floor, and around the divot and the drain ring. I have not yet tiled, but just saw that this extra waterproofing could cause me problems. I also use these products for main or additional waterproofing on things like shower niches and concrete wall in basements, places where it is difficult to have a plastic vapor membrane behind the backerboards. I’ve tiled probably well over 1000 showers in my 20+ years of setting tile directly over backer board and to my knowledge never had a problem. But since it sounds like you are putting RedGard down, I'm going with the assumption the RedGard is going over a concrete slab floor. This finished tile floor is installed over a plywood and cement backer board subfloor. These products shrink a bit as they dry so you must make sure that it has not shrunk enough to create holes or voids in places such as corners and seams. This is useful in that when it is dry it turns dark red. Take half of a one gallon pail of RedGard and spread it over 25 square feet for the first coat. And i was wondering if redgard can be saved if seal tight for future jobs, Thanks. Thinset? Also, can the same thinset be used for floor tile in the same bathroom? The reason that I don’t recommend the mesh tape with step one (silicone) is that the silicone will act as a bond breaker to thinset if it’s smeared over the surface. The best solution is to fill the gap with backer-rod, which is just cylindrical foam, then paint the redgard over that. you should not be using green board to tile onto. Can I just sand this down and apply Red Guard. So do I have to rip out the pan and start over? Yes, you can also fill it with silicone – it will work, it’s just not the best solution. Once that is up on the walls, you simply tile over it. Because I’m using Redgard, can I use mesh tape and thin-set over the seams and then paint on the redgard… The Redgard is created to prevent cracks that could ultimately damage your tile or stone installation, as well as make the wall behind the tile waterproof. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Awesome. Declares that whomever is building the shower does not have confidence in their ability to waterproof a shower using a proven method. You should be fine since it is seldomly used and you only put a thin layer of redgard on it. All the cool kids are doin’ it. Or, to meet the requirements of ANSI A118.12, apply two thicker coats of RedGard. These products can also be used as waterproofing on your shower pans in leiu of a regular pan membrane. I just skimmed over the screw heads with thinset and red guard over everything. You can either stop the redgard at 2″ above the shower head (no water is going to get to it above that), or you can use a primer over the redgard, wall mud (joint compound), then paint. And then apply new ceramic tile with thin set?? tape over joint. My concern is having a nice flat smooth wall that looks nice when it is painted. That’s it – go have an adult beverage until it dries. You should be used to it after a few minutes. Apply a minimum 3/64" (1.2 mm) of RedGard over the joint and substrate following the instructions detailed in APPLICATION. Mind you the application I’m inquiring about will not be exposed to any water whatsoever, but it will be exposed to the sun and temperature. We have covered our shower with Redgard and now want to install white glass tile. What are my best options? If you laid a 12" tile over redgard and assume the redgard is essentially not moving any moisture and neither is the tile, the center middle of that tile's moisture has to now dry through 6" to get to the side of the tile. If that doesn't work, you can always pick at it for a while. I had a contractor put in shower pan. This seals the pores of the backer and doesn’t allow it to suck moisture from the layers of redgard as it normally would. Elastomeric or liquid waterproofing membranes are one of the most convenient methods of waterproofing shower walls before installing tile. I have almost an inch gap between Saltillo and the wall where custom building products commercial silicone has stood up for almost 5 years. Really. Seems there’s pros and cons to both. I saw your site too late. First of all – ‘water-resisant drywall’? Is is densshield or purple-board (or something else)? Thanks- my picture is what the shower looks like after scraping as much redguard off the pan (and skin off my knuckles) as I could, I left the corners and curb- is this what I was supposed to do? Which particular product (brand name). After all the corners are coated I use a paint roller and pan to cover the walls. But will unmodified thinset be weaker and not properly hold the tile over time, especially on the ceiling. Click Above to have professional TileTips sent directly to your inbox. Use powdered thinset that you mix with water. If you are using a roller Custom (the company that makes redgard) recommends that you roll on the first coat horizontally and the second coat vertically to ensure full coverage. (That’s the word on the street…), Help with all your tile needs (and extreme jackassery!). No, you’ll need to tape and mud it, then use redgard over that. The other membranes are similar. The instructions say to fill the gap with 100% silicone, but I can’t find any info on the CBP website about applying Redgard over silicone. After the tile work is properly set, follow the architect's and manufacturer's instructions to … Member. You may be creating a hell of a lot more issues than you want. As always, if you have any questions feel free to leave a comment for me. Two proper coats will give you a continuous topical membrane. Before applying Redgard, would you recommend taping/thinsetting the seams where the niche meets the CBU? Please help! —Michal Mroczko is a tile contractor in Atlanta, GA who I don’t know if it’s any help but some good quality silicone caulking should easily fill 1/4”. However, due to the potential for inadequate seals, don’t use this product over top of plastic and avoid those plastic barriers commonly used when installing tile … Or what can be used on fiberglass shower walls, I do not want to tear the fiberglass shower out, I just want to upgrade it! I followed instructions, but somehow we must of missed a step because everything cracked and water would have poured right through. My client ordered a Redi Tile shower pan which requires using epoxy thinset. Unless you have a steam shower or something similar, two coats would probably be enough. I have 2 quick questions… 1. The easiest way I have found to install Redgard is, after the walls are prepped properly, start with a paint brush and thoroughly coat all the corners and angles. Hello, we are tiling our shower. I would use tape and mud, let that cure then redgard over everything. I’m using Durock, Redgard, and a Redi Niche. Above the tile will just be painted wall. He did the pre-slope, curb, liner, & mud. That said it seems to me it would prolong drying. This may lead to mold.You must also tape the backerboard seams with fiberglass mesh drywall tape. I wouldn't have put it all over the shower floor. And because every shower design is different we offer a variety of entrances as well: single curb, double curb, triple curb, or barrier free. The brand we have is flextile. What type of thinset and grout should I use for the travertine? Hello, Fill the divot with mud. Any of them work. Elastomeric or liquid waterproofing membranes are one of the most convenient methods of waterproofing shower walls before installing tile. Margaret, please keep all your project questions on this thread. Installing Redgard on Shower Walls for Tile, Liquid Topical Waterproofing Membranes for Floors and Walls, Liquid Topical Waterproofing Membranes for Shower Walls, Installing Cement Backerboard for Tile in a Shower. I thought Redguard was … I have a existing tile shower. Yes, you can run the tape from the backer to the tub and redgard. Paint? Can redgard be painted and if so what kind of paint will stick. What I meant was tape the gap with mesh tape from the bottom of the backer board down to the top part of the tub flange and regard over the mesh tape with a couple of coats. vBulletin® v3.7.4, Copyright ©2000-2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. Laticrete’s Hydroban, for instance, goes on light green and dries forest green. I normally use three coats. I do know you can do this with Redgard, Aquadefense, and Hydroban. I am using tumbled travertine 1" x1" mosaic for the floor and 8" x 20" for the walls. You can get a gallon of Redgard online for about $45.00 plus shipping. Yes, they should be dampened. Double-check...if this is true, there is a preslope, Redgard, then the final setting bed, then the thinset and tile. Posts: 6,480 Received 361 Votes on 337 Posts The only system that can be used over drywall is Ditra and Prova membrane. kylenelson, Mar 25, 2013 #2. Thanks, Bob RobertHeath, Mar 25, 2013 #1. kylenelson You'll find me on the floor I Support TFP Senior Member. I’m hearing stories about certain Mortar or thinset That you must use with redgard , Is this true. Can you redgard the gap between the tub flange and backer board? That is a five foot back wall with two 3 foot side walls. They are applied to your shower walls then tile is installed directly onto it. If there is water or moisture behind that existing substrate you’ll be sealing it up – that ALWAYS creates issues. Just thoroughly coat the entire inside of your shower until the whole thing is bright pink – enough so it can be seen from space. Ideally, the product is made so that you do not ever see the final product behind your brand new substrate. Do I need to rip it out- how about using a blade and trying to get underneath and peel it off? Additionally, can you use premixed thinset over redguard? Thanks! Now that I've gotten to the tiling stage for my shower (after my redguard mistake) I want to make sure I'm using the correct thinset and grout for my tumbled travertine. The contractor told me to put Redguard on the curb and "all over if you want to" so I put Redguard all over the pan and curb and 12" up the Durock. Just need a bit more info to be able to help. We can give it a more generic title any time you'd like to suggest one. I would tile the floor leaving a grout joint against the drain and then screw the drain down until it is even with the tiles. I’m afraid the pores of the concrete are filled in with this mastic so scraping it off is just leaving a slick surface. Everything looked as described in other threads I have read on here. Self-Leveling Underlayment LevelLite Self-Leveling Underlayment helps LevelLite Self-Leveling Underlayment helps level floors prior to the installation of ceramic Click here to get an instruction manual for your waterproofing installation. Why does Redguard Fail? STANDING water is the problem, water cannot stand on vertical walls. Now I am reading this is a big mistake as it creates the moisture "sandwich" and will cause mold in a couple weeks/months. Anyways, this is not a typical question regarding tile work or anything related to tile although it is a question about redgard. The contractor told me to put Redguard on the curb and "all over if you want to" so I put Redguard all over the pan and curb and 12" up the Durock. ‘Just in case’ normally does two things: 1. Hereof, how long does RedGard need to dry before tiling? They could use the RedGard using the "divot method" around the drain. Or, should we only RedGard where we think we are going to have tile, and then use joint compound on the DuraRock to smooth it out a bit before painting? When I use these products I always use a cement-based backerboard as the wall substrate without a plastic vapor barrier. I'd try gasoline or acetone.umm, no. I think your overthinking it.what are they overthiking ? Thanks for the great resource! That should be enough to do a regular tub surround. Therefore, the material you place the Redgard putty on is important. Yes, you can use silicone first if you want. Your best bet would be to call armstrong's technical services dept. Thanks for the quick reply. No. Any recommended brands or types? It would be better and easier if you just removed what was presently there. Primer and paint? It will create a damp layer (mud bed) between two waterproof layers (liner and redgard) and it will grow mold. Okay- thanks I am going to try to peel it off of the pan....I hope I can get at it- seems to be on there pretty good. Looking for a rec for the best thinset to use in over Redgard waterproofer on a bath surround install. I’m weird like that. Or can I somehow remove the Redguard?? Then tile over the RedGard. Reduces crack transmission in ceramic tile or stone floors. If it’s too large to fill with caulk it’s too large to fill with redgard. Make sure your specific product includes specifications for this application if you choose to do that. First let me start by saying that I really appreciate the way you explain how to do proper tile work in just about every possible situation that is involved in the process.Very detail oriented with no bs. When it comes to waterproofing and crack isolation in tile assemblies, trust the RedGard brand from Custom Building Products. I assume that using some sort of modified thinset is the answer, but which brand? Should I sand off the Redgard? My question is about the RedGard. Do you know if it can or should be done? Okay......now I'm really confused. The only one that has specific requirements is schluter. #3 01-15-20, 05:29 AM Marq1. No, you absolutely CAN NOT use tile adhesive (mastic) over the redgard – it will never fully cure. RedGard is formulated for tile to be set over it. We have DuraRock from the shower pan all the way to the 9 foot ceiling. However, we are more than likely not tiling all the way to the ceiling. Can I Red Guard a ceramic tile wall. This is more of a cosmetic application question as opposed to applying redgard on a tile substrate. I was planning on taping this gap and using regard on top of the tape (a couple of coats). The better option is to mix redgard with 2 parts water, 1 part redgard and use that as your first coat. "And it won't leak—if you do it correctly." Unmodified or modified thinset over Redgard in shower walls and ceiling? 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